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Implementation complete; leaving this as a draft for these maintainer calls (recommendation first in each):
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[P2] Preserve media-age comparisons when object timescales differ — rs/moq-net/src/model/group.rs:333–338 now retains each timestamp's scale when the track has no TIMESCALE, but model/track.rs:668–669 still subtracts them with Timestamp::checked_sub, which rejects differing scales (model/time.rs:284–288). For three timed groups at 0 ms, 1000 ms, and 2,000,000 µs on a track with timescale=None, a zero-budget subscriber incorrectly receives group 0: its successor's 1000 ms cannot be subtracted from the 2-second live edge. Previously the model normalized timestamps before this comparison. Compare physical times across scales without changing the forwarded timestamp, and add a mixed-object-timescale staleness regression test.
Direction: explicit absence and object-scope units are a sound approach to faithful forwarding. The first-frame mixed-group rule and creation-time start snapshot remain the maintainer decisions identified in the discussion.
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WalkthroughThe change adds optional timestamps and timescales for frames, datagrams, and tracks. Network model and protocol paths preserve untimed values, while moq-lite publishers encode send times for untimed tracks. Subscriber behavior, timestamp validation, start-position handling, and archive refusal rules are updated. C, Rust FFI, Dart, Kotlin, and Go APIs expose timestamp absence. Tests and documentation cover the new model and protocol-version differences. Priority: ➖ Normal Merge Risk: 🟡 Moderate · up to Untimed-track support is broadly in place. However, a rejected write on a timed track can leave subscribers waiting on an empty group, and a malformed joining fetch does not end the track. Fix both before merging. Security Architecture ReviewSecurity architecture risk: 🔵 Low · up to No new authorization bypass was established. This is nevertheless a breaking data-contract change requiring coordinated client rebuilds, and compatibility in deployed applications remains unverified. Retained concerns Security review detailsSecurity Blast Radius
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- Around line 82-91: Add a changelog appendix to the draft and record the
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Re the automated review of 65f9898 (P2, mixed object timescales): confirmed and fixed in 655d06a.
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The cross-timescale staleness finding in my previous review is addressed: rs/moq-net/src/model/track.rs:668–670 now uses the physical-time comparison at lines 2200–2206, with the reported three-group case covered at lines 6092–6110. The datagram assertions now also reject lost timestamps on drafts 17/20.
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🟡 Minor · Ignore timed groups below live_floor when choosing the untimed start. · track.rs:575
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🎯 Functional Correctness | 🟡 Minor | ⚡ Quick winIgnore timed groups below
live_floorwhen choosing the untimed start.If a resumed route sets
live_floorpast an older timed group,live_edge(None)still finds that group.untimed_startthen returnsNone, even when every readable group is untimed. A new subscriber replays the cached untimed backlog instead of starting at its latest group. Limit this check and the newest-group search to groups at or abovelive_floor.🤖 Prompt for AI Agents
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🟠 Major · Align the documented object-scope TIMESCALE contract with… · draft-lcurley-moq-timestamp.md:87-88
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🗄️ Data Integrity & Integration | 🟠 Major | ⚡ Quick winAlign the documented object-scope
TIMESCALEcontract with the JavaScript subscriber.When a track has no track
TIMESCALE, an object can carry object-scopeTIMESCALEandTIMESTAMP. The JavaScript IETF subscriber does not decode that object as timed.Frame.decodeconsumes the complete object-extension block without callingdecodeObjectTime, so the timestamp is lost.Either prohibit this object form in the interoperability contract or update the JavaScript decoder to parse object-scope
TIMESCALEbefore decodingTIMESTAMP. The documented contract must not require a behavior that the supported subscriber does not implement.🤖 Prompt for AI Agents
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🟠 Major · Do not substitute Timestamp.now() for untimed objects. · draft-lcurley-moq-timestamp.md:114-121
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🗄️ Data Integrity & Integration | 🟠 Major | ⚡ Quick winDo not substitute
Timestamp.now()for untimed objects.When a track has no
TIMESCALE,Frame.decodereturns no timestamp. The subscriber then executesframe.timestamp ?? Timestamp.now()before forwarding the frame. This violates the draft and converts an untimed object into a timed object. The group state records that substituted timestamp, so downstream consumers can process the object as timestamped.Omitting the timestamp here fixes the receiver/relay violation. Supporting object-scope
TIMESCALEinFrame.decodeis a separate correction.Suggested fix
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Automated review: moq#4822Reviewed head: This replaces arrival-time stamping with real absence: Findings1. Medium–High: an explicit
2. Medium: Rust-to-Rust on IETF drafts 14–16 becomes untimed, while the publisher keeps writing Timestamps nobody can read (
3. Medium (known, deferred): a resumed group that no route continues blocks its reader until the track ends, on any track whose drift can't be measured. The PR body and #4823's 4. Low–Medium (possible issue): mixed groups on lite-05+ get wall-clock send times inside a media timeline (
5. Low: no 6. Low: behavior change not called out in the body. 7. Low: libmoq test gap. Every C test initializes Claims checked
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[P2] Preserve the original group's timing policy when serving a tail — rs/moq-net/src/lite/publisher.rs:2052–2057 selects the policy from the first transmitted frame, and GroupServe::new resets WireTime at line 2668 even when frame_start is nonzero. For a cached group [Some(7 ms), None, Some(9 ms)], a lite-07 subscription/resume starting at frame 1 now selects untimed=true and sends wall-clock values for both remaining frames, discarding the real 9 ms timestamp. A consumer retaining frame 0 therefore still gets the media-to-wall-clock jump this change aims to remove. Initialize the policy and fallback timestamp from the original group/prefix when available, separately from the wire delta baseline; add a nonzero-frame-start regression test alongside the new full-group tests.
Direction: honoring explicit untimed starts and supplying object-scope units on drafts 14–16 are useful corrections. The prior cross-scale age finding remains fixed; the new lite fallback needs the partial-group case above covered.
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Re the automated Grok review (issue comment 5992552186). Everything is addressed in e447428 except item 3, which is deferred:
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Re the automated review of e447428 (P2, lite policy on a group tail): confirmed and fixed in 9afafb1.
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The cached-group tail issue in my previous review is addressed: rs/moq-net/src/model/group.rs:1446–1450 exposes the retained timeline, and lite/publisher.rs:2069–2079 uses it while keeping the fallback value separate from the wire delta baseline. Both fetch and subscription encoding paths supply that timeline. tests/untimed.rs:227–261 adds the frame-1 tail regression for lite-06 and lite-07-wip.
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Maintainer decisions from @kixelated (in a planning session today), relayed by an agent.
Both become moot, because the model changes. Direction: timedness is all-or-nothing per track.
He wants proper types mocked up first (e.g. Much of this PR's model and IETF work should carry over: untimed groups never going stale, starting at the latest group, the explicit-start floor fix, the cross-scale fix, IETF omitting TIMESCALE/Timestamp, and relays not claiming a timeline. For whatever survives, one CodeRabbit outside-diff finding is still unaddressed (review): Would you like to take the (Written by Claude Opus 5.5) |
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A track is timed or untimed as a whole: `Track.Info.timescale` is `null` for a track with no timeline, and a frame or datagram carries a timestamp exactly when its track has a timescale. A write that disagrees throws `TimestampMismatch` (stream code 0x39, as in Rust and the lite draft). No receive path fills in arrival time anymore. moq-lite before 05 and moq-transport without TIMESCALE (always so on drafts 14-16) deliver untimed tracks; a TIMESCALE track's object without a Timestamp is a malformed track, and an object-scope Timescale is never applied. Lite-05 and lite-06 can't declare an untimed track, so it goes out at milliseconds with send times. An untimed group is never stale, so an unfloored subscription to an untimed track starts at its latest group, while an explicit start still holds. Mirrors #4822 under the per-track decision. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
A track is all timed or all untimed: `track::Info.timescale` is an `Option`, frames and datagrams carry an `Option<Timestamp>`, and a write whose timedness doesn't match its track is `TimestampMismatch`. No receiver fills in arrival time. Lite before 05 and moq-transport without TIMESCALE (every track on drafts 14-16) arrive untimed, an object-scope Timescale is ignored, and a TIMESCALE track's object without a Timestamp ends the track as malformed. A relay forwards an untimed track untimed, lite-05+ carries send times for it until lite-07 can say so, and a standalone FETCH keeps its objects' Timestamps. An untimed group is never media-stale, and a subscriber with no start begins at the latest group. moq-archive refuses an untimed track; moq-ffi and libmoq expose absence on the receive side. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Reviewed commit: e0ab33c. This is a fresh review of the rebased per-track design, not just the last commit's delta from the previously reviewed mixed-group implementation.
No new actionable correctness finding in the inspected changes. rs/moq-net/src/model/group.rs:343–351 enforces track timedness and normalizes timed frames, so the old mixed-timescale and mixed-group-tail cases no longer apply. model/track.rs:1632–1636 validates before publishing a group; ietf/subscriber.rs:3157–3161 aborts the track on a malformed joining fill. Both have focused regression tests. Untimed starts honor explicit floors, relay metadata preserves absent timescales, and standalone FETCH now retains object timestamps needed by a subscribed relay.
Direction: the per-track invariant substantially simplifies forwarding and makes refusal behavior explicit. Lite-05+ send-time downgrade, archive refusal, receive-only FFI absence and the remaining standalone-FETCH track-abort decision are documented limitations, not silently equivalent behavior.
Verification: static review of the current model, IETF/lite encode/decode paths, affected archive/E2EE/bindings, migration notes and regression tests; no builds, tests or external-peer interop run independently. Current-head Check, Platform, WASM and listed binding workflows pass. The connector returned no current-head Interop run, so the PR author's local interop result is not independently verified here. GitHub reports mergeable=true.
A track is timed or untimed as a whole: `Track.Info.timescale` is `null` for a track with no timeline, and a frame or datagram carries a timestamp exactly when its track has a timescale. A write that disagrees throws `TimestampMismatch` (stream code 0x39, as in Rust and the lite draft). No receive path fills in arrival time anymore. moq-lite before 05 and moq-transport without TIMESCALE (always so on drafts 14-16) deliver untimed tracks; a TIMESCALE track's object without a Timestamp is a malformed track, and an object-scope Timescale is never applied. Lite-05 and lite-06 can't declare an untimed track, so it goes out at milliseconds with send times. An untimed group is never stale, so an unfloored subscription to an untimed track starts at its latest group, while an explicit start still holds. Mirrors #4822 under the per-track decision. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Adapts to moq-dev#5005 (an untimed frame presents nothing, so it wakes no parked read) and the max_age to max_delay rename (moq-dev#4917). Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
An unfloored SUBSCRIBE with an end on an untimed track started at the newest cached group even when it sat past the end, so nothing was delivered. Start at the newest servable group below the end, as js/net does (moq-dev#4968). Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Reviewed commit: 1c23978; follow-up to e0ab33c, including the main-merge adaptations.
No new actionable correctness finding in this delta. rs/moq-net/src/model/track.rs:652–668 and 3468–3480 now choose the newest servable untimed group below the requested end while preserving explicit starts. The regression at lines 6451–6462 separately sets the reader's local end, correctly preserving the distinction between a subscription request and a local delivery cap.
The merge adaptation also preserves untimed behavior under the new expiry wake scheme: model/group.rs only calls presented for a real timestamp, and model/track.rs:3387–3390 treats a started-but-untimed successor as unbounded. Earlier cross-timescale and mixed-group-tail findings remain superseded by the per-track invariant, not reopened by this change.
Direction: consistent with the corresponding JS start policy and the per-track design. Verification: GitHub-only static meaningful delta, merge adaptation, surrounding cursor/expiry code and regression review. No builds, tests or interop run independently; reported combined #4822/#4968 local interop remains author-reported. Exact head, open state and prior reviews rechecked before posting.
…roup Resolves the append_datagram doc conflict with untimed tracks (#4822) and stamps the datagram fetch/alias tests now that a timed track refuses an unstamped object. Review fixes on the absolute-join datagram skip: judge the datagram by its resolved Group ID, so a later object inheriting a datagram group's ID is skipped too instead of failing the join, and refuse a datagram inside the head's own group as NotFetchable rather than finishing the partial head. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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quest/m1/untimed-model.md(deleted here).Reworked on current
mainfor the maintainer's 2026-10-05/06 decisions (#4939): timedness is per track, enforced at runtime withOptiontypes. The earlier per-group design (mixed groups, object-scope units, aTimelineper group deciding lite wire times) is gone. Force-pushed as one commit onmain.Problem
Every moq-net receiver stamped local arrival time on a frame or datagram that arrived without a timestamp (lite before 05, moq-transport without TIMESCALE or Timestamp), and a lite-05+ relay forwarded those stamps as real. A route failover changed them, so the timeline jumped and "one clock per broadcast" broke. A relay subscribed to an IETF track without TIMESCALE also announced one downstream.
Approach
track::Info.timescaleisOption<Timescale>;Noneis an untimed track. Frames and datagrams carryOption<Timestamp>, and a write whose timedness doesn't match its track isError::TimestampMismatch, as a timestamp the scale can't hold already was. A group's first frame starts it (poll_timestampbecamepoll_started), so an empty group and a group on an untimed track no longer share oneNone.start_atalready places a route copy's floor). An unfloored subscription with an end starts at the newest group below it, as in JS.MalformedTrack, as feat(js/net)!: carry untimed frames faithfully #4968 does in JS; status-only objects need none. A relay declares no timescale downstream for an untimed track.fetch_cancel'sa_refetch_within_the_linger_stays_on_the_relay_ietf19) would otherwise reject the objects as malformed. FETCH_OK declaring the units stays withfetch-ok-properties. Lite-05+ can't mark a track untimed yet, so every frame and datagram of an untimed track carries the session clock's send time, and TRACK_INFO declares milliseconds;lite-untimedchanges that on lite-07.Error::Untimed); its format stores a timestamp per frame. moq-ffi and libmoq expose absence on the receive side only (decided by OneTooMany):MoqFrame/MoqDatagram.timestamp_usare optional and null on an untimed track,MoqTrackInfo.timescaleis null on a received untimed track, and libmoq gainstimestamp_present. A raw track published through either is timed, so a raw write without a timestamp is refused.MoqMediaProducer::write_framewithout one now lets the importer derive the time instead of passing a PTS of 0. moq-mux containers read time from their payloads, so they need no change.draft-lcurley-moq-timestamp.mdreplaces the arrival-time mandates with untimed tracks: Timestamp is a MUST on every object with a payload on a TIMESCALE track, its absence is malformed, object-scope TIMESCALE is ignored, and the LOC "bare Timestamp is microseconds" reading is gone.draft-lcurley-moq-lite.mddocuments the send-time downgrade.doc/concept/{moq-lite,standard}.md,doc/lib/*,doc/bin/cli.md, anddoc/setup/upgrade.md.js-untimed-model, which feat(js/net)!: carry untimed frames faithfully #4968 deletes, only loses its links.fetch-ok-propertiesandpublish-timestamprecord what landed here and what's left (FETCH_OK units; publishing an untimed raw track through FFI).cache-max-agenotes the rejoin case below.Tests
rs/moq-net/tests/untimed.rscovers a timed and an untimed track over lite-03/04/05/06/07 and IETF 14/16/17/20, a relay forwarding an untimed track (IETF to IETF, and lite-03 and draft-16 hops that leave a timed track untimed downstream), an explicit start on an untimed track over lite and IETF, datagrams, and a standalone fetch. Model tests cover the mismatch refusal for frames and datagrams, the untimed start (an explicit start overriding it, an end bounding it), and an untimed first frame starting a group. The IETF subscriber ends a timed track on an unstamped subgroup object and refuses one in a fetch. moq-ffi, libmoq and moq-archive test their refusal or read side.just check,just drafts checkandjust test interop --allpass.rejoin_during_the_cancel_skips_the_cachenow checks only versions whose tracks arrive timed: a reader rejoining an untimed track starts at the newest cached group even when it's stale, since nothing ages it.cache-max-agegives untimed groups a wall-clock staleness rule and restores the check.Impact
track::Info.timescale: Option<Timescale>(with_timescaletakesimpl Into<Option<Timescale>>);group::{Producer,Consumer}::timescale()returnOption<Timescale>.frame::Info.timestamp,Frame.timestamp,Datagram.timestampareOption<Timestamp>.write_frame,append_datagram,insert_datagramtakeimpl Into<Option<Timestamp>>, so passing aTimestampcompiles unchanged. A mismatched write isTimestampMismatch.Frame/Datagramtimestamps optional; writers takeimpl Into<Option<Timestamp>>.Error::Untimed.MoqFrame.timestamp_us,MoqDatagram.timestamp_us:Option<u64>, default null. A raw write without one fails instead of going out at 0. GoTimestampUsis*uint64; Kotlin and Darttimestampare nullable.moq_frameandmoq_datagramgaintimestamp_present.doc/setup/upgrade.md(Unreleased).JS
This matches #4968 on drafts 14-16, object-scope units, malformed objects, mismatch refusal and the untimed start (including the end cap, fixed here in 1c23978). Three differences remain: Rust normalizes a timed IETF track to microseconds, converts each frame to the track scale rather than checking presence only, and keeps
Info::default()timed at milliseconds where JS has no default (the follow-up #4968 recommends).just test interop --allalso passes with both PRs merged together locally.Merge with main (2026-10-07)
Merged
mainat fe0113f. #5005's parked-read wakes key on a presented timestamp, so an untimed frame now wakes nothing (it can expire no read), and the expiry waits onpoll_started. Renamed the subscriber budget tomax_delay(#4917) in this PR's docs and tests. The m2cmaf-frame-timestampquest is no longer touched; only the m1 one is.Merge order with #4968: code merges cleanly either way; the second to land resolves quest conflicts (each deletes its own quest and edits links to the other's).
Follow-ups
lite-untimed,js-untimed-model,publish-timestampandcache-max-ageare next in line;fetch-ok-propertiesfinishes the FETCH side.quest/m1/untimed-decisions.md(ranked aftercache-max-age): two calls for the maintainer, whether moq-archive keeps refusing untimed tracks and whether a malformed FETCH object ends its track. OneTooMany, a downstream contributor, leaves both to the maintainer; the recommendations in it are suggestions only.Planning prompts for untimed-decisions (paper trail)
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