quest: plan a per-task serve budget, a multi-thread FFI runtime, and 20 ms audio groups

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Problem

Hosted Interop's go -> * lanes fail on #4225 and stall for about 10 s on main. Root cause, found while landing #4225 (comment 6055113779):

• The go interop publisher writes 2.5 ms Opus frames. group_duration defaults to zero, so each frame becomes its own group, about 400 groups/s.
• When a relay subscribes, the lite serve loop (RequestServe::poll_serve) keeps returning Continue and never yields. One poll ran over 4,096 iterations.
• moq-ffi runs everything on one current_thread runtime thread, including noq's connection driver. The driver starves until the relay times the publisher out.

Quests

• [M] quest/m0/serve-budget.md: a kio-native cooperative budget, modeled on tokio's. A kio task that always has work ready yields after a budget of progress, on every runtime.
• [S] quest/m1/ffi-runtime.md: moq-ffi and moq-c drive moq on a multi-thread tokio runtime.
• [S] quest/m1/audio-group-duration.md: audio groups span at least 20 ms by default in moq-audio, JS publish and the gst sink.
• Links:
  • quest/m1/interop-browser-timeouts.md notes it's likely the same stall.
  • quest/m1/perf/uring-quiescence.md relates to serve-budget: they compose rather than overlap.

Decisions (paper trail)

Goal: a burst of ready groups never starves a session's transport, so a fast publisher can't stall its own QUIC connection on any runtime, and FFI apps aren't limited to one thread.

• ✅ Yes
• Narrower (serve loop only)
• Broader (revisit moq-net spawning)

Split:

• ✅ Three quests (serve loop, FFI runtime, audio grouping)
• One quest
• Two quests

Serve-loop priority:

• ✅ m0
• m1

Where the budget lives (the maintainer asked for a generic mechanism like tokio's):

• ✅ kio-native budget
• Bridge kio to tokio::task::coop (wasm and io_uring stay unbounded)
• Per-loop budgets in the two serve loops

Refill:

• ✅ Explicit kio::coop::budget(f), mirroring tokio: refill and restore, nesting refills
• Automatic refill inside kio::wait, rejected because nesting would let an inner wait escape the budget
• Nested calls keep the outer budget

Budget scope:

• ✅ Per kio task: Tasks::poll refills for each child, and time::run refills for the driver
• Per runtime task, shared by a whole session (tokio's model)

Budget size:

• ✅ 128 to start, a constant, picked by a bench sweep (unbounded, 32, 128, 512) against main
• 64
• Configurable

Relation to uring-quiescence:

• ✅ Separate, linked under Related. Its pass count bounds passes per turn; this budget bounds one task's loop.
• Folded in (first proposed, withdrawn: the two budgets bound different things)

FFI runtime:

• ✅ Multi-thread with tokio's default worker count
• Small fixed pool
• Keep current_thread

Audio grouping default:

• ✅ 20 ms everywhere (moq-audio, JS publish, gst sink)
• Only the FFI sets it
• Keep zero

Priorities for the FFI runtime and audio quests:

• ✅ Both m1
• Runtime m0, audio m1
• Both m0

moq-c shutdown (from review, after the interview):

• ✅ No moq-c shutdown API; the crate is being retired
• Add moq_shutdown to moq-c

Noop-waiter detection (from review, after the interview):

• ✅ An explicit noop flag on kio's Waiter, so noop polls never spend
• Compare wakers with will_wake (not reliable across codegen units)

Impact

Quest files only. quest check passes.

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The changes add quest documentation for a proposed bounded-yield budget in kio serve loops, including budget rules, refill points, tests, and benchmarks. They record a reported FFI publisher timeout and link related interop and io_uring quests. The M1 quest index adds plans for a 20 ms audio group duration and multi-thread Tokio runtimes for moq-ffi and moq-c.

Priority: ⬇️ Low

Merge Risk: 🔵 Low · up to e354e

The quests can be merged with follow-up to define moq-c shutdown and narrow the serve-budget guarantee before implementation.

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Grok review of bf69a419 (quest-only PR: serve budget, FFI runtime, 20 ms audio groups)

The diagnosis checks out against main: RequestServe::poll_serve loops on Continue, both FFI crates build new_current_thread() on one dedicated thread, Options::group_duration defaults to zero, the gst sink cuts after every audio packet, and the go interop client really does publish 2.5 ms Opus through encode_audio. The issues are a stale base and a few places where the plan's mechanics don't match how the code composes.

Blocking

1. Conflicts with quest: audit the whole tree (2026-10-08) #5058, and three links break on rebase. The PR is CONFLICTING: quest: audit the whole tree (2026-10-08) #5058 (17a48c1f, merged today) rewrote the quest/m0/README.md "Audio playout" paragraph this hunk anchors on, moved Held group wakes to m1, and reshuffled quest/m1/README.md. After the rebase:

   • quest/m1/audio-group-duration.md links /quest/m1/ffi-frame-duration-default.md, which quest: audit the whole tree (2026-10-08) #5058 deleted.
   • quest/m1/ffi-runtime.md links /quest/m1/kt-jvm-exit.md twice (Plan and Related). It's now quest/m2/kt-jvm-exit.md.
   • quest/m1/interop-browser-timeouts.md: main dropped its ## Related section, so the added Serve budget bullet needs the heading back.

   quest check passed on the old base, but it won't on main as written.

Non-blocking (worth fixing in the plan before someone builds it)

2. "The owner returns to its runtime after the pass" doesn't hold for nested serves, so the per-turn bound is closer to budget squared than budget. Some owners poll their Tasks more than once per poll. Publisher::poll (rs/moq-net/src/lite/publisher.rs ~L190–211) calls self.children.poll(waiter) twice. SubscribeServe::poll_step (~L2516) polls its Tasks<GroupServe> on every step, and RequestServe::poll_serve (~L1101) loops on Continue. When a GroupServe runs out of budget it self-wakes into "the next pass". That pass is the next poll_step in the same loop, and it gets a fresh refill. So when a subscription has both new groups arriving and busy group writers, a single runtime poll can do about 128 × 128 units. That's still bounded, but it's not what the Goal promises. Two possible fixes: state the real bound, or only refill in Tasks::poll when the task isn't already inside a budget. Either way, the planned test should drive a subscribe with many in-flight groups and count the units spent per runtime poll, not just check that the serve eventually returns Pending.
3. The time::run refill placement. run (rs/moq-net/src/time.rs L41–64) loops and re-polls driver.poll(now) when the timer has already elapsed. "Refills around each driver.poll(now)" would give each loop iteration a fresh budget. Refill once per kio::wait poll, outside the loop.
4. "Callers already handle Pending, so no new states" is too strong. Some arms turn a kio Pending into a value. For example, GroupServe::poll_serve uses self.group.poll_expired(waiter) as a bool, and the start-past-live check uses if let Poll::Ready(..) = self.track.poll_live(waiter) && ... If those polls spend from the budget, running out reads as "not expired" or "no largest", which quietly changes a decision rather than just postponing it. The plan should list those call sites or make them non-spending, like the try_* APIs.
5. The FFI runtime change does affect the public contract. Today moq-c status callbacks and uniffi callbacks all fire on the single moq-c/moq-ffi thread, one at a time. On a multi-thread runtime they fire on any worker, and callbacks for different handles can run at the same time. doc/lib/c/index.md only promises "call any function from any thread", so "Public API: none" undersells the change. Document the new callback threading and audit binding code that assumes callbacks are serialized. Shutdown also changes meaning. ffi::shutdown() joins the moq-ffi thread, which would now only be parked in block_on, and shutdown_background() doesn't wait for worker threads. So "stopped and joined" would no longer mean the tasks have stopped at Python atexit or JVM exit. Pick the shutdown semantics (for example shutdown_timeout) in the plan.
6. Once the m1 quests land, the m0 success criterion stops proving anything. "Hosted Interop's go -> * lanes pass" is the m0 success criterion. But 20 ms grouping and a multi-thread runtime each hide the stall on their own, and test/interop/clients/go/main.go L39–42 picks 2.5 ms frames on purpose as a stress case. Make the mocked 10,000-group serve test the gate rather than the interop lanes. Or keep a zero-group-duration lane, though the FFI doesn't expose that knob today.
7. Nits:
   • kio isn't dependency-free (it depends on smallvec). "No runtime dependency" is the accurate claim.
   • kio leaves wake through waiter.waker(), not cx.waker().
   • "the serve benchmark" presumably means rs/moq-net/benches/session.rs, so name it.
   • The 20 ms default also pairs packets for the 10 ms low-latency Opus preset, which is a behavior change worth a line in the audio quest.

Verdict: ITERATE. Rebase onto #5058 and fix the three links. Items 2–5 are plan corrections that will save an implementer a wrong turn.

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Grok follow-up review of 140ab731 (re-review after a push; last reviewed bf69a419, #issuecomment-6064293147)

The push is one main merge (main includes #5058). Its conflict resolution is the only change to this PR's files.

Fixed

• Blocking 1 (conflicts and broken links). The PR is now MERGEABLE. audio-group-duration.md points at quest/m1/ffi-shape/codec.md, which does own the FFI frame-duration default now (codec.md L48-58). ffi-runtime.md points at quest/m2/kt-jvm-exit.md in both places. interop-browser-timeouts.md keeps a ## Related heading and drops the deleted ci-runner-stalls link. Every quest link in the new files resolves at head, and the Quest check passes.

Still open (unchanged by the push, non-blocking plan corrections)

• 2 (nested Tasks refill gives roughly budget squared per turn), 3 (time::run refills per loop iteration), 4 (probe sites), 5 (FFI callback threading and shutdown), 6 (the m0 gate stops proving anything once the m1 quests land), and the 7 nits.

New detail for those items

• 4 has two wire-visible cases, not just internal decisions.

  • TrackRun::start reads largest for SUBSCRIBE_START through self.track.poll_live(&kio::Waiter::noop()) with Pending => None (rs/moq-net/src/lite/publisher.rs:2647). If a spent budget makes that poll return Pending, the live track's Largest is dropped from the wire.
  • poll_recv_next sets groups_finished from poll_recv_group, then probes poll_finished for the boundary (publisher.rs:2150-2170). If the budget runs out between those two polls, it returns Recv::Finished instead of Recv::Boundary, and poll_step breaks without ever sending SUBSCRIBE_END.

  A no-op-waiter poll should never spend, and the plan should name these two sites with tests.

• 5, shutdown. This is the exact crash moq_ffi_shutdown exists to stop (rs/moq-ffi/src/lib.rs:42-58). Today the stopped thread is the one that polled every task, so returning from block_on means no callback into the host is in flight. With N workers, shutdown_background() leaves them running into CPython finalization, and the "never call it from the runtime thread" rule now covers N threads. rs/moq-c/src/ffi.rs has the same shape.

• 6, evidence. The root-cause comment on fix(net): keep a lite subscription's demand until its groups drain #4225 (6055113779) says a 64-iteration yield still let the publisher session time out twice ("a yield alone may not be the whole fix"). It also says one poll walked 4096+ iterations "chasing latest across thousands of sequences", which at about 400 groups/s is roughly 10 s of groups. The Goal's "when this lands, those lanes pass" (quest/m0/serve-budget.md:17) should carry that open question rather than promise the outcome.

Check and Test are still pending at this SHA.

Verdict: MERGE once CI is green. The remaining items are plan wording that an implementer would hit, and folding items 2, 4, and 5 into serve-budget.md and ffi-runtime.md first would save a wrong turn.

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Direction: the runtime-independent budget and separate FFI/audio quests are reasonable. The latest aggregate-pass clarification addresses the earlier CodeRabbit comment. One plan-correctness issue remains:

[P2] Preserve in-flight values before injecting Pending — quest/m0/serve-budget.md:38–40.
The existing Pending-safety concern has another concrete case: Cursor::poll_recv_group advances self.index at line 3794 (or removes a parked group at line 3774), then calls ready!(self.poll_stale(...)) at line 3813. That poll currently always returns Ready through kio's state poll. If it instead returns budget-induced Pending, the local consumer is dropped and the next poll skips that group permanently. Handling Pending syntactically does not make this transition resumable.

Replace the “no new states” assumption with an explicit cancellation-safety audit: charge only at state-safe boundaries, or retain the candidate/defer committing its cursor until the later poll completes. Include exhaustion tests for both fresh and re-offered parked groups that verify every eligible group is delivered exactly once, alongside the fairness test. This is a risk in the proposed implementation, not a runtime regression introduced by this documentation-only PR.

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🟠 Major · Inspect the readiness callers before treating budget exhaustion as… · serve-budget.md:24-42

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🗄️ Data Integrity & Integration | 🟠 Major | ⚡ Quick win

Inspect the readiness callers before treating budget exhaustion as ordinary Pending.

The proposed contract can cause an incorrect protocol decision. TrackRun::poll uses poll_recv_next, and TrackRun::start can treat Poll::Pending as the absence of more data or as an end-of-run decision. If the budget returns Pending before the readiness operation reaches its actual result, the caller cannot distinguish budget exhaustion from genuine no-data or completion. The quest must define a separate exhaustion state, or require these decision points to retry after exhaustion instead of applying their wire-visible Pending behavior.

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Update the budget-exhaustion contract and the TrackRun::poll and TrackRun::start
decision paths using poll_recv_next so budget exhaustion cannot be mistaken for
genuine Pending, no data, or completion; expose exhaustion as a distinct state
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🟠 Major · Budget the whole moq_net::time::run turn. · serve-budget.md:43-63

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Budget the whole moq_net::time::run turn.

moq_net::time::run repeats driver.poll(now) inside one kio::wait callback when the sleep is ready. If the budget wraps only one driver.poll(now), the next loop iteration receives a fresh budget before the callback returns Pending. A continuously ready driver can therefore keep the callback busy and still starve the runtime.

Suggested fix

-  polls, and `moq_net::time::run` refills it around each `driver.poll(now)`
-  for the driver's own code. A child that runs out lands in the next pass by
+  polls, and `moq_net::time::run` refills it once around the entire
+  `kio::wait` callback, including its driver/timer loop, not around each
+  `driver.poll(now)`. A child that runs out lands in the next pass by

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Update the budget description around `moq_net::time::run` to specify that one
fresh budget covers the entire `kio::wait` callback, including its driver and
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Review findings addressed in e354e08 (quest text only, no ✅ decision changed):

• Pending safety (OpenAI P2, CodeRabbit major, Grok 4): serve-budget.md drops "no new states". A budget Pending must only postpone. Spending happens only at state-safe boundaries, and Waiter::noop() polls never spend. The plan names the four sites (TrackRun::start Largest, the poll_finished boundary probe, poll_expired, and Cursor::poll_recv_group before poll_stale) and adds exactly-once exhaustion tests for fresh and parked groups.
• time::run refill (CodeRabbit, Grok 3): the budget refills once per kio::wait poll, outside the loop.
• Nested bound (Grok 2): the plan states the real bound (about the budget squared for nested serves), and the test now counts units per runtime poll. I declined the alternative of refilling only the outermost budget, because it would undo the decided "nesting refills".
• m0 gate (Grok 6): the mocked serve test is the gate. The interop lanes and fix(net): keep a lite subscription's demand until its groups drain #4225 are re-checked when it lands, and the plan notes that a yield alone may not be the whole fix.
• FFI runtime (Grok 5): callbacks may now fire concurrently on any worker, so the plan documents that and audits the bindings. Shutdown still guarantees that no task runs and no callback is in flight when it returns.
• Nits: kio takes "no runtime dependency", it wakes via waiter.waker(), the bench is rs/moq-net/benches/session.rs, and the 10 ms Opus preset now pairs packets.

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Grok follow-up review of e354e088 (re-review after a push; last reviewed 140ab731, #issuecomment-6064311835)

The push is two quest-only commits (97e33163, e354e088) that fold the earlier review into serve-budget.md, ffi-runtime.md, and audio-group-duration.md. No base merge, no code.

Fixed

• 2, nested refill. The plan now states the real bound (passes × ready children × budget, and about budget² for Publisher::poll and SubscribeServe::poll_step inside RequestServe::poll_serve), and the mocked test now counts units per runtime poll with many groups in flight.
• 3. time::run refills once per kio::wait poll, outside the loop.
• 4, probe sites. "Budget Pending only postpones" is now a rule, with the noop-waiter exemption and the named sites. The new Cursor::poll_recv_group site checks out: it bumps self.index (rs/moq-net/src/model/track.rs:3794) or removes the parked entry (L3774) before ready!(self.poll_stale(..)) (L3813), so a Pending there drops the consumer. Good catch, and the exactly-once test is the right gate.
• 5. Callback threading is now in Public API, and shutdown keeps its "nothing in flight" meaning.
• 6. The gate is now the mocked serve test, and the fix(net): keep a lite subscription's demand until its groups drain #4225 caveat is carried.
• 7. All the nits: "no runtime dependency", waiter.waker(), rs/moq-net/benches/session.rs, and the 10 ms Preset::LowLatency pairing (encode/encoder.rs:132-148).

Non-blocking (new, plan wording)

1. moq-c has no shutdown to keep. ffi-runtime.md:35 says "when moq_ffi_shutdown (and moq-c's) returns". But moq-c exports no shutdown entry point. Its RUNTIME (rs/moq-c/src/ffi.rs:15-30) parks the moq-c thread in block_on(pending()) and drops the join handle. My earlier "same shape" note meant the runtime, not a shutdown. Either drop "(and moq-c's)", or add a moq_shutdown as new moq-c API and list it on the Public API line (ffi-runtime.md:45).
2. "Any poll with kio::Waiter::noop() spends nothing" needs a way to tell. Waiter::noop() is just Self::new(Waker::noop().clone()) (rs/kio/src/waiter.rs:62-64), so the waiter has no flag. waker().will_wake(Waker::noop()) compares vtable pointers, which Rust doesn't guarantee to match across codegen units. The quest should say how a noop poll is detected, for example a noop bit on Waiter. Otherwise the TrackRun::start Largest site (publisher.rs:2647) is only protected by luck.

Check, Test, and Quest are pending at this SHA. The PR is MERGEABLE.

Verdict: MERGE once CI is green. The two items above are one-line plan fixes.

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Reviewed commit: e354e08

No additional actionable findings in this delta. The overall direction is sound for this documentation-only PR.

The previous P2 group-loss finding is addressed at the plan level: serve-budget.md:43–58 now exempts noop polls, requires state-safe boundaries and a caller audit, and specifies exactly-once exhaustion tests for fresh and parked groups. The callback-wide refill correction also addresses CodeRabbit’s concern. Keep the no-loss tests and measured per-runtime-poll work bound as implementation gates.

The FFI callback/shutdown contract and 10 ms audio-packet pairing are now explicit. The existing Grok follow-up already covers the remaining moq-c shutdown scope and noop-waiter identification details; no duplicate inline comments.

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Add a moq-c shutdown API and runtime stop/join behavior to this plan.

rs/moq-c starts a runtime thread that blocks on std::future::pending::<()>, and it does not retain a stop signal or join handle. Its public exports also provide no shutdown function. The plan's no-task/no-callback guarantee is therefore not actionable for moq-c until it defines this lifecycle.

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Review comment at @quest/m1/ffi-runtime.md around lines 36 - 38:
Update the shutdown plan around shutdown_background to define the moq-c
lifecycle: retain a runtime stop signal and join handle, expose a public
shutdown API, and have shutdown stop and join the runtime thread before
returning so the no-task/no-callback guarantee is actionable.

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Addressed in 9bf3fb2 (quest text only):

• Goal scope (CodeRabbit): the guarantee covers async kio readiness polls. try_* and peek loops, and code outside kio::coop::budget, stay unbounded, as they are today.
• Noop detection (Grok 2): Waiter carries an explicit noop flag, since comparing wakers isn't reliable.
• moq-c shutdown (CodeRabbit, Grok 1): I dropped "(and moq-c's)" rather than plan a new moq_shutdown. moq-c exports no shutdown today and quest/m1/c/retire.md deletes the crate, so a new C API there isn't worth adding.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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Grok follow-up review of 9bf3fb27 (re-review after a push; last reviewed e354e088, #issuecomment-6064519253)

The push is one quest-only commit (9bf3fb27) touching serve-budget.md and ffi-runtime.md. No base merge, no code.

Fixed

• 1, moq-c shutdown. ffi-runtime.md:35-39 now names only moq_ffi_shutdown and says moq-c exports none and gets none because it's being retired. That matches rs/moq-c/src/ffi.rs, and the link resolves.
• 2, noop detection. serve-budget.md:46-47 now says Waiter carries an explicit noop flag, since comparing wakers isn't reliable. That fits: today Waiter::noop() is just Self::new(Waker::noop().clone()) (rs/kio/src/waiter.rs:62-63). The flag can stay private, so the Public API line (only kio::coop::budget) is still accurate.

The new scope sentence in the Goal (sync try_*/peek loops and code outside kio::coop::budget stay unbounded) is consistent with the Mechanics and the Refill bullet (L74-78).

Non-blocking (optional)

• ffi-runtime.md's Goal (L5) and the callbacks bullet (L30) still move moq-c to the multi-thread runtime. Now that the plan treats moq-c as retiring, consider stating whether moq-c is converted at all or left on current_thread until it's removed. Converting it changes its callback contract (concurrent callbacks), and with no shutdown there's no way to ensure callbacks are drained at exit, for a crate that's going away anyway.

Quest passes at this SHA; Check and Test are pending. The PR is MERGEABLE.

Verdict: MERGE once CI is green.

This is an automated review, not the maintainer's decision
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Automated review by review (OpenAI)

Reviewed commit: 9bf3fb2

No new actionable findings. The direction remains sound for this documentation-only PR.

The remaining plan issues are addressed: serve-budget.md:4–9,44–47 narrows the guarantee and specifies an explicit noop flag; ffi-runtime.md:35–39 correctly limits the shutdown guarantee to moq-ffi. Avoiding a new shutdown API for the retiring legacy moq-c is reasonable. These conclusions agree with Grok's independent recheck, which also covers the optional question of converting that legacy runtime at all; no duplicate inline findings.

The earlier Pending-safety P2 remains addressed at the plan level. Exactly-once exhaustion tests and measured per-runtime-poll work bounds remain implementation gates.

Verification: compared with e354e08 (one commit, no rebase or base change), inspected both updated plans, Waiter, both FFI runtime paths, and the retirement quest, and rechecked PR state/head/reviews before posting. No tests or benchmarks run; Check is still in progress.

[kixelated]

On the optional moq-c point in the last Grok recheck: I am leaving ffi-runtime.md as written. The maintainer's decided scope converts both moq-ffi and moq-c to the multi-thread runtime. If moq-c is retired first, its half of the quest simply drops.

Summary

Three quests come out of the #4225 interop stall:

• [M] m0 serve-budget: a per-task cooperative budget in kio. A budget Pending only postpones, and the plan names the call sites that must not lose state. Noop polls never spend. The mocked serve test is the gate.
• [S] m1 ffi-runtime: moq-ffi and moq-c run on a multi-thread tokio runtime. Callbacks may fire concurrently on any worker, and moq_ffi_shutdown still guarantees that no task runs and no callback is in flight when it returns.
• [S] m1 audio-group-duration: audio groups span at least 20 ms by default in moq-audio, JS publish and the gst sink.

Since the interview, the branch merged main and aligned with the #5058 audit, folded in the CodeRabbit, OpenAI and Grok plan corrections, and recorded two more ✅ decisions: no moq-c shutdown API, and an explicit noop flag on Waiter. Quest files only. quest check and CI pass.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)