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Problem

Relay announcement flooding multiplies control traffic and retained route copies as the cluster gains links.

Approach

  • Keep the concrete tree-routed announcement design: lite-07 cluster peers exchange per-relay RELAY reachability and receiver-selected UPSTREAMS parent tie sets and backups.
  • Select each prefix's parent with rendezvous ranking, forward from the selected parent or backup, and flood unsupported peers or missing source entries.
  • Plan announce counters, ranking, cluster transport, reachability, a deterministic simulator, and forwarding as separate implementation quests.
  • Keep elapsed-time stats linger as an independent improvement. The fleet plan is in merged moq-dev/moq.pro#1843.

Impact

Documentation only. Planned implementation changes include a lite-07 cluster stream with RELAY and UPSTREAMS messages and source/next-hop rendezvous tie-breaks. Broadcast announcements and ANNOUNCE_REQUEST remain unchanged; older Lite, IETF, and customer sessions keep flooding.

Alternatives

Retain this architecture and address the specific backup and handoff findings in review. A generic pruning-policy research task is not substituted for the algorithm.

Validation

The restored tree matches b196bdc exactly. nix develop --command just fix, just check, and just test passed; scoped runtime suites are not applicable to this documentation-only diff. These checks validate the documents, not the proposed routing algorithm.

Follow-ups

Concrete review findings remain on selected-backup availability, prefix-specific protection, asynchronous handoffs, copy-bound scope, and cluster authorization. Each has a counterexample or code reference and a proposed correction. Keep these distinct from the original mechanism while resolving them.

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The pull request adds quest documentation for stats-group linger and tree-routed announcements. The documents describe a proposed lite-07 cluster stream, relay reachability and upstream tables, announcement forwarding and route selection, metrics, and simulator tests. IETF and older cluster links retain flooding in the described plan.

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Resolve the cluster-peer eligibility rule and the remaining forwarding-plan inconsistencies before using this plan to guide rollout. They could otherwise lead to customer traffic entering tree mode or to avoidable interruption during relay failure.

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Replace the shared graph and digest with beacons and receiver-published
upstream tables, add rendezvous ranking and a cluster simulator, flood
anything a receiver has no choice for, and apply the rule in the shared
cursor layer so IETF cluster links follow it.

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With additive keys and a tie-break that depends only on the source, if
`P` prefers `S` to `C`, so does `P`'s parent toward `S`. So each relay's
chosen upstream holds the route it expects, and a warm route stops at the edge
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P1 Badge Make backups retain the selected source

When a prefix has competing sources, the additive-order argument only applies to the primary neighbor on P's shortest path to S; the off-path backup b_u can instead prefer source C. Because forward.md requires each cursor to select its own best source before the eligibility check and forbids falling through, that backup sends C or nothing rather than S, leaving P without the promised node-protecting copy and allowing a retraction when u fails. The fresh evidence in this redesign is this source-specific backup combined with the one-route cursor; make selected backups expose S, or weaken the failover guarantee and test this competing-source failure case. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Addressed in 55b647d: the policy must validate that an actual prefix route is supplied and retained. The simulator includes a backup preferring another source and sending nothing. Removed the unconditional backup/failover promise.

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- Around line 11-13: Scope the two-neighbour fanout claim in the README to
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- Line 21: Update the Tree-routed announcements summary to clarify that
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`E`. After this line a relay hears each broadcast from at most two neighbours,
a parent and a backup that it chose itself. A relay whose backup avoids its
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Scope the fanout bounds to routes with tree choices.

The plan preserves flooding when a receiver has no source entry. Those routes can exceed the stated two-neighbour and 2(N - 1) bounds, including after convergence for legacy or anonymous paths.

  • quest/m1/announce-tree/README.md#L11-L13: Limit the two-neighbour claim to routes with a usable source entry.
  • quest/m1/announce-tree/forward.md#L8-L10: Limit the start bound to routes whose participating receivers have table entries, or account for fallback traffic.
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Addressed in 55b647d by removing the unconditional copy/message bounds. Equal paths, retained standbys, mixed versions, multiple sources, and handoff overlap are measured separately.

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@kixelated, I checked the current documents. README.md removes the fixed two-copy and per-event message bounds. forward.md also removes the unconditional copy-count bound and keeps flooding when evidence is insufficient. The finding is addressed.

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Beacons stay announcements, now track-less. The per-link upstream table
moves onto ANNOUNCE_REQUEST with a subscriber update message, so it is
ordered with the announces it filters and shares the link's fate. IETF
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Comment on lines +21 to +22
- A route's source for this rule is the first hop in its chain that is a
known relay in [reachability](/quest/m1/announce-tree/reachability.md).

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P1 Badge Treat empty-hop local routes as sourced by this relay

When the source relay publishes a normal Route::default(), the shared cursor sees an empty hop chain because Lite stamps the relay identity only after cursor selection. This rule therefore finds no source and floods the local route to every neighbor; in a weighted mesh where a neighbor selected two cheaper indirect paths, that unsolicited direct copy becomes a third copy and breaks both the two-copy bound and the 2(N - 1) start bound. Define an empty local route as sourced by the cursor's own relay before applying the table. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Addressed in policy.md: an empty local chain belongs to the local relay before the wire appends its hop. The simulator includes that case. Unsupported mappings flood, and there is no unconditional two-copy bound.

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- Only a relay that declared a hop in SETUP may open a cluster stream, and only
on lite-07. Opening one is how a peer says it takes part in tree mode.

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P1 Badge Authenticate relay status before accepting the cluster stream

A declared Hop ID does not identify a relay: lite::start automatically fills Setup.hop for any endpoint with an attached publish or subscribe origin, including ordinary Rust customers. With this as the only stated gate, a lite-07 customer can open the stream and advertise forged low-cost RELAY reachability, causing this relay's UPSTREAMS choices to suppress legitimate announcements. Carry an application-authenticated cluster-session capability into moq-net and reject this stream otherwise. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Addressed in cluster-stream.md: application-authenticated cluster authorization is required. A SETUP hop, SNI, or version is insufficient; an unauthorized customer stream is rejected and tested.

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- Around line 16-22: Update the tree-mode routing rules in `forward.md` so
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Comment on lines +16 to +22
- Apply the peer's latest UPSTREAMS table, from its
[cluster stream](/quest/m1/announce-tree/cluster-stream.md), in the shared
cursor layer in `rs/moq-net/src/model/origin.rs`. A cursor whose session
has a table is in tree mode. Any other cursor, including customers, lite-06
peers, and IETF links, sees today's behaviour.
- A route's source for this rule is the first hop in its chain that is a
known relay in [reachability](/quest/m1/announce-tree/reachability.md).

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Reject anonymous chains before the UPSTREAMS lookup.

forward.md selects the first known relay, but route-order.md defines the source as the first hop. The current subscriber path accepts [Hop::UNKNOWN, Hop(9)] for an anonymous publisher. A first-known lookup can therefore select relay 9's table instead of flooding the anonymous route. If the tree check fails, forwarding presents nothing and does not fall back to flooding.

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- A route's source for this rule is the first hop in its chain that is a
- known relay in [reachability](/quest/m1/announce-tree/reachability.md).
+ Tree mode applies only to routes with no `Hop::UNKNOWN` and whose first hop
+ is a known relay. For those routes, the source is the first hop in its chain,
+ matching [Rendezvous ranking](/quest/m1/announce-tree/route-order.md).
...
- A source with no entry in the receiver's table is flooded. This covers
- unreachable sources, anonymous chains, and meshes split by an older relay.
+ A route with an anonymous chain, or whose first hop has no entry in the
+ receiver's table, is flooded. This covers unreachable sources and meshes
+ split by an older relay.
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In `@quest/m1/announce-tree/forward.md` around lines 16 - 22, Update the tree-mode
routing rules in `forward.md` so routes containing `Hop::UNKNOWN` never use an
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Addressed in policy.md and forward.md: any unknown hop disables pruning, and scanning past an unknown hop is not evidence. The simulator includes an unknown hop before a known relay.

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@kixelated, verified at revision 55b647de. policy.md disables pruning for any unknown hop, forward.md keeps unknown chains flooded, and simulator.md includes an unknown hop before a known relay. This addresses the finding. Thanks for the fix.


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Comment on lines +14 to +18
- Each relay advertises itself at cost 0 with an empty chain. It forwards its
best RELAY entry for each hop to every cluster peer except the one it came
from, adding the link price and its own hop, as routes do today. Loop checks
use the same chain rule. This is path-vector over `N` entries, flooded, and
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Advertise path-diverse routes needed for node-protecting backups.

quest/m1/announce-tree/cluster-stream.md, Lines 8-11, defines RELAY reachability as (hop, cost, chain). This plan forwards only each relay's best entry for a destination. If neighbour B's best route to source S uses P's chosen parent Q, but B also has a longer route to S that avoids Q, P learns only the route through Q. P cannot use B as a node-protecting backup. When Q fails, P loses the route despite the available path through B.

Advertise enough alternate paths for P to find a route that avoids each candidate parent, or narrow the node-protecting backup guarantee.

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Narrowed the guarantee: the revised plan does not promise discovery of every node-protecting alternate from one best reachability entry. The policy must identify the standbys it actually retains and validate recovery before the wire is chosen.

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@kixelated, the policy requires the plan to identify retained standbys, verify protection for the actual prefix, and define recovery before specifying the wire format. The revised reachability plan also accounts for peer-specific alternates. I verified that these changes address this finding.

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- Rank RELAY entries with the same comparator as
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Define the comparator for prefixless RELAY entries.

cluster-stream.md defines RELAY as (hop, cost, chain), without an announcement prefix. However, route-order.md requires rendezvous hashes of (prefix, source relay) and (prefix, next hop). State which prefix-independent keys rank RELAY entries and confirm that U_S preserves ties before prefix-dependent hash keys, or define the prefix and all hash inputs. Otherwise, relays can derive different parent sets from the same reachability data.

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The global rendezvous-ranking quest is removed. Reachability must define prefix-independent keys and preserve any alternatives required by the validated policy. It may not use one representative chain to certify prefix-dependent backup paths.

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@kixelated, agreed. The current reachability.md no longer refers to the removed rendezvous-ranking quest. It requires prefix-independent comparison keys, preserves alternatives needed by the policy, and rejects a representative chain as proof of a broadcast’s backup.

The document still does not specify the comparison keys. I’ll leave this finding open for that definition.

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Pushed the mechanical fixes (stats linger timed from the last row, IETF announce bytes counted, flood fallback in the m1 summary). Not enabling auto-merge: four open findings change the design and need the maintainer.

  1. Source identity (Codex P1, CodeRabbit): the source relay's own routes have an empty chain, so "first known relay" floods them, and the README says anonymous chains flood while "first known relay" would pick relay 9 for [UNKNOWN, 9]. Pick one rule: empty chain = this relay, and anonymous = flood or first known.
  2. Cluster stream auth (Codex P1): customers also declare a hop in SETUP, so a hop alone can't gate the stream. It needs an auth-derived cluster-peer flag passed into moq-net.
  3. Backup source (Codex P1): with competing sources, backup b_u can prefer a different source and present nothing for S.
  4. Path-diverse backups (CodeRabbit): forwarding only the best RELAY entry may hide a path that avoids the parent, and the Goal's "standby from each neighbour" is never defined.

For 3 and 4, the cheapest fix is to limit the failover promise to cases the design covers. The alternative is to advertise per-source standbys.

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- Rank RELAY entries with the same comparator as
[rendezvous ranking](/quest/m1/announce-tree/route-order.md), so a relay's
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P1 Badge Preserve prefix-specific paths when classifying backups

With even a single source and equal-cost paths, a RELAY advert has no broadcast prefix, while the referenced comparator chooses its next hop using a hash of that prefix. A neighbor can therefore advertise a standby chain that avoids u but select the equal-cost broadcast path through u for a particular prefix; P then labels the copy node-protecting even though both copies disappear when u fails, violating the promised gap-free failover. Carry enough alternatives to choose the standby for the actual prefix, or make RELAY and data-plane next-hop selection identical. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Addressed in policy.md, reachability.md, and the named simulator cases. Protection is evaluated for actual prefix routes, not inferred from a prefixless reachability chain. The unconditional protection promise is removed.

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- Each relay advertises itself at cost 0 with an empty chain. It forwards its
best RELAY entry for each hop to every cluster peer except the one it came
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P2 Badge Advertise the best alternate route back to each peer

In a triangle S-A-B, if B's globally best route to S arrived from A, this rule sends no RELAY entry back to A even when B has a direct alternate path to S. Consequently A cannot discover B as a valid backup, defeating the planned protection on ordinary cyclic topologies. Select the best RELAY route after excluding the destination peer, as the announcement cursor already does, rather than suppressing the globally selected entry without falling through. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Addressed in reachability.md: select each peer's advertised route after excluding that peer, allowing an alternate when the global best came from it.

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- UPSTREAMS entries are `(source hop, [(member hop, backup hop or none)])`. An
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P2 Badge Distinguish parallel sessions in upstream selections

When two sessions connect the same relay hops, the reachability plan permits the second session as a link-protecting fallback, but this encoding represents both the parent and backup with the same hop ID. Combined with forward.md's requirement to send on only one session per peer hop, the receiver never retains the second copy, so losing the selected session causes a route gap despite the available parallel link. Encode a session discriminator or exclude same-hop parallel sessions from the backup calculation. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Addressed in policy.md and cluster-stream.md: session identity and lifetime must remain distinct when parallel sessions are used for link protection. The wire follows the validated policy; hop-only backup selection and unconditional one-session deduplication are removed.

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Preserve ranking and flood fallback, validate actual prefix backups and safe handoffs, and measure total control cost before rollout.

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rows, from tokio's clock, and drop the group at the first empty drain one
minute after that. The linger is elapsed time, not ticks, so it holds
at any `--stats-interval` and after a stalled ticker. Keep it a constant;

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P2 Badge Wake independently of the stats drain interval

When --stats-interval exceeds 60 seconds, this still cannot satisfy the one-minute contract: the option is an unrestricted u64 in rs/moq-relay/src/stats.rs:47-52, and publish only examines/removes groups after each ticker tick, so a 300-second interval can retain the announcement for five minutes. The fresh evidence after the prior review is that the revised elapsed-time deadline is still only polled at the unbounded drain cadence; schedule a separate deadline wakeup or explicitly cap the interval, and test an interval longer than the linger.

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Authenticated lite-07 cluster peers can exchange the evidence and lifecycle
messages required by the validated pruning policy. Merely opening a stream or
receiving reachability information does not enable suppression. Older Lite,
IETF, and customer sessions retain today's announcement behavior.

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P2 Badge Coordinate this stream with every lite-07 claimant

When this higher-priority quest lands first, it will define moq-lite-07, but quest/m1/hidden-broadcasts.md:20-25 also assigns a new ANNOUNCE_REQUEST field to lite-07 and coordinates only with the prefix-table quest. A deployed lite-07 implementation from this quest would therefore negotiate successfully yet parse that later field with the old framing. Add the same join-or-bump coordination for all three claimants, or allocate a separate version now.

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Revert 55b647d. Keep the original RELAY/UPSTREAMS design and handle concrete defects through focused review findings.

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I reverted my broad rewrite in f1e2a5b. The tree now matches b196bdc exactly, restoring RELAY, UPSTREAMS, rendezvous ranking, and the original implementation quests. My replacement with an unspecified pruning-policy task was the wrong response to these defects. The fleet rewrite #1851 in moq.pro is being closed; merged moq.pro#1843 remains unchanged.

These are the concrete issues I recommend fixing within the existing design. The examples below check the proposed rules, not a shipping implementation.

1. [P1] A nominated backup can send nothing for its source

forward.md:23-27 selects the sender's best source before applying the receiver's tree filter, with no fallback. The primary-path argument in README.md:67-70 does not apply to an off-path backup.

Reproducer: all links are undirected, with these prices:

S--A:1  A--P:1  P--B:2  B--S:4  B--C:1
P--D:1  D--C:1  P--E:1  E--C:1

S and C advertise the same prefix, with production costs 0 and 2 respectively (both cost components equal).

  • For relay S, P chooses A (cost 2) and backup B (cost 6), whose S path avoids A.
  • For relay C, P chooses D/E (cost 2); B's path costs 3 and is not selected.
  • For the broadcast, P prefers S at cost 2 to C at cost 4.
  • B prefers C at cost 3 to S at cost 4. It selects C, then suppresses the advertisement to P because P did not select B for C. P receives no S backup from B.

Proposed correction: distinguish a nominated backup from a confirmed one. Confirm protection only after the receiver holds the actual prefix route with the required publisher identity and failure-independent chain. Keep the tree forwarding mechanism and explicitly permit no confirmed backup for this case. If guaranteed backup delivery is required instead, a source-specific advertisement obligation must override the single-best-source cursor; filtering before selection alone is insufficient when multiple eligible sources compete. Add this exact topology to the simulator.

2. [P1] Immediate table replacement has a break-before-make delivery order

README.md:81-82 and forward.md:33-36 immediately withdraw advertisements from old upstreams when the table changes. For an old pair A/B and new pair C/D, independent sessions can deliver END(A), END(B) before START(C), START(D). The receiver temporarily loses the prefix despite healthy paths. A settled-state assertion misses this.

Proposed correction: make UPSTREAMS replacement a prepare/commit transition. During prepare, send using the union of old and new choices. Commit removals only once the receiver has consumed replacement announcements for the affected routes. Snapshot completion must be ordered with the announcement data; an acknowledgement on a different QUIC stream alone does not prove receipt. Keep old choices for scopes whose replacement is unavailable. Permit temporary extra copies and add the explicit delayed-delivery regression.

3. [P2] A reachability chain cannot certify every prefix's backup path

Use unit links S-A, A-P, P-B, B-A, B-C, C-S. P's primary is A. B has equal-cost paths B-A-S and B-C-S. Its RELAY representative may use C while a particular prefix's rendezvous hash selects A. P then labels B node-protecting from the RELAY chain even though that prefix's route through B traverses A.

This does not by itself prove both announcements disappear after A fails: B might reroute through C. It does prove that the advertised classification does not establish an already independent standby.

Proposed correction: certify against the actually received broadcast chain and identity, refreshing the status on every route update. Treat RELAY backups as candidates. Do not equate retained route metadata with an already subscribed media path or promise zero playback gap from it.

4. [P2] The two-copy claim has different units from the algorithm

Three source relays directly attached to P can publish the same prefix. P chooses each source for reaching itself, so all three can send their local announcement. That respects two copies per source but violates two copies per prefix. Missing-table flooding and prepare/commit overlap are further explicit exceptions.

Proposed correction: state the steady-state bound per (prefix, source) with the required participation assumptions. Count total held copies per prefix separately; treat event counts and the live 247-to-66 estimate as measurements, not consequences of the storage bound.

5. Concrete cluster plumbing defects still need their existing fixes

  • A declared SETUP hop is not authentication. Require the application's authenticated cluster capability before accepting cluster control.
  • Select RELAY advertisements after excluding the destination peer, so a usable alternate can be advertised back to the peer supplying the global best.
  • An unknown hop anywhere in the chain must take the anonymous flood path; scanning to the first known relay defeats that rule. Account explicitly for an empty local chain before the publisher appends its hop.
  • Hop-only UPSTREAMS entries cannot identify two parallel sessions as distinct primary/backup links. Either represent the sessions or exclude that form of protection.

I am reopening the relevant existing findings that my rewrite had incorrectly treated as resolved. I recommend retaining the architecture and addressing backup confirmation plus the handoff transition first.

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🟡 Minor · Restrict cluster-stream eligibility to authenticated relay peers. · cluster-stream.md:19-22

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Restrict cluster-stream eligibility to authenticated relay peers.

The plan states that customers must not use cluster streams, but the eligibility rule accepts any peer that declares a hop in SETUP. Change this rule to require relay-peer status, and validate the plan text and eligibility examples. This is a narrow plan correction. It does not require implementing moq-net transport authentication in this PR.

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-- on lite-07. Opening one is how a peer says it takes part in tree mode.
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+- cluster stream, and only on lite-07. Opening one is how a peer says it takes
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Comment on lines +33 to +36
- When a table update arrives, re-sync that peer's cursors. Today
`sync_cursor` runs only on a route change, so add that path. It starts
routes where this relay newly qualifies and ends them where it no
longer does.

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P1 Badge Coordinate parent handoffs before retracting the old route

When a healthy topology change moves P from parent A to B, the replacement tables travel over independent peer sessions, so A can receive its update first and immediately end the old announcement before B receives its update and starts the replacement. This creates a transient route loss and downstream end/start despite both paths remaining healthy; the simulator checks only after each step settles and will miss it. Add an acknowledgement or another make-before-break mechanism so the old parent remains eligible until the new route is confirmed ready.

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Comment on lines +67 to +70
With additive keys and a tie-break that depends only on the source, if
`P` prefers `S` to `C`, so does `P`'s parent toward `S`. So each relay's
chosen upstream holds the route it expects, and a warm route stops at the edge
of its carrier's catchment.

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P1 Badge Preserve source ordering when route costs saturate

The claimed additive ordering does not hold for the existing Cost::charged, which saturates each component at MAX_COST. For example, an upstream can prefer source C at MAX_COST - 1 over S at MAX_COST, while after adding the next link both costs are MAX_COST and P can prefer S by the source hash; P then chooses that upstream for S, but its cursor selects C first and the no-fallthrough rule sends S nowhere. Drains and large configured costs can therefore violate completeness, so saturated routes must flood or use evidence that preserves the receiver's actual ordering.

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Comment on lines +21 to +22
- A route's source for this rule is the first hop in its chain that is a
known relay in [reachability](/quest/m1/announce-tree/reachability.md).

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P2 Badge Authenticate relay IDs used to classify route sources

The fresh path here is an ordinary customer announcement rather than opening the authenticated cluster stream: a Lite customer can declare a SETUP hop equal to a known relay ID, causing this scan to classify its route as sourced by that relay. A downstream receiver that did not choose the forwarding relay as parent or backup for the spoofed source then suppresses the customer route, contradicting the promise that customer behavior is unchanged. Bind known-relay classification to an authenticated relay-origin segment, or flood routes whose claimed source cannot be authenticated.

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Recommendation: MERGE

Positive improvement? Yes. Announcement flooding at cluster scale is a real cost: the line README's ~247 announces per event on moq.pro's 34-relay / 140-link mesh (worse once PoP skipping grows E) is the right motivation. The restored plan is concrete — lite-07 cluster stream with RELAY reachability + UPSTREAMS parent/backup tables, rendezvous ranking for consistent tie-breaks, flood fallback for unsupported peers / missing sources, plus a deterministic simulator — and it cleanly splits into counters → ranking → stream → reachability → simulator → forwarding. Stats linger ([XS], elapsed-time hold after last row) is a small independent win that cuts announce churn rather than fanout, and belongs alongside this line.

Worth the complexity? Yes as documentation. +419 lines of quest markdown, no runtime change in this PR. The sub-quest sizing and Required edges look intentional; IETF / lite-06 / customer sessions keeping flood behaviour keeps rollout and third-party peers safe. Conscious revert of the "validate conservative pruning first" detour back to the RELAY/UPSTREAMS design is fine once the architecture is what you want implementers to build.

Different approach? A research-only pruning-policy quest would not replace an algorithm with a copy bound and failover story. Capturing known review findings (selected-backup availability, prefix-specific protection, asynchronous handoffs, copy-bound scope, cluster authorization) as bullets or Required notes inside reachability.md / forward.md before the first implementation PR would be better than leaving them only on this PR's discussion — non-blocking for merging the plan, blocking for starting forward.

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  • Fold those five findings into the quest text (with the counterexamples / proposed corrections) so they survive squash and are not rediscovered mid-implementation.
  • Confirm the copy bound wording ("two plus one per flooding neighbour") matches what the simulator will assert under mixed-version rollout.
  • Stats linger's one-minute constant is fine; call out in the quest if fleet config (moq.pro#1843) needs a matching knob later.

Documentation-only architecture plan with a clear flood fallback. Merge the plan; amend findings into the quests before coding the tree.

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Closing: we're compressing announcements first instead of suppressing duplicates. The plan is in #4147, which replaces the prefix-table quest. Revisit tree routing if compressed announces still cost too much.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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